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Infidel 1:35 Sun Nov 29
Fingers crossed this absurd "Climate Summit" ends in failure
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The bizarre collection of activists, lobbyists, socialists, corporate parasites, greedy scientists, third world robber barons and cynical politicians that is the Climate Change movement are at it again - meeting in Paris to try to secure an agreement that won't make any difference to global temperatures but will line the pockets of all those present at the expense of ordinary people.
Let's get one thing straight: despite the noisy hysterics of the greens there is no such thing as a 'climate denier' - anyone who says the climate isn't changing is an imbecile. The climate has been changing for billions of years and will continue to do so for many billions more.
But you also have to be an imbecile to think that driving a Prius and switching to low energy light bulbs will slow down global temperature rises. There is a reason that the climate lobby talks only about vague concepts and never about numbers - they don't add up.
So here are some numbers for you: each one of us in the UK generates about 11 tonnes of carbon a year. Our population is rising rapidly and will hit 80 million by 2050. That's 16 million more people, requiring us to build two new cities the size of London and ceteris paribus pumping 176 million tonnes of additional carbon every year into the atmosphere.
But the government has passed a law requiring us to decrease that footprint by 80% - not per capita, but in total.
Forget your light bulbs and Priuses, even if all forms of transport are made illegal and all farm animals destroyed we wouldn't make that target. And in the meantime our economy would be bombed back into the Stone Age.
On a global scale it's even worse. The world's population will rise from 7 billion to 11 billion and that means more carbon - much more. If man-made climate change is so catastrophic why aren't the alarmists arguing for smaller families,birth control and taxes on parents? Reducing the human population is the only way to solve the problem they say we face.
Because that would alienate religious groups who are among their biggest cheerleaders.
As for the science, it's the job of scientists to tell us what they think is happening but it's not their job to decide what to do about it. That's a job for economists and policy makers.
For one thing the costs of adapting to rising temperatures (eg by building sea defences and establishing new population centres in empty regions) is substantially lower than the cost of trying to 'decarbonise' the global economy.
This Paris meeting is an ugly coalition - of pseudo-scientists milking their new found fame for every dollar, of renewable energy multinationals looking to hoover up subsidies, of illegitimate presidents of poor countries with their noses in the aid trough of various swivel-eyed socialist plotters looking to overthrow capitalism - all banging the drum for more useless windfarms and punitive taxes on the real economy - the one that provides virtually all of us on here with food, shelter and heat.
Hopefully it will end in acrimony,in-fighting and failure like the last one in Copenhagen.
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Nurse Ratched
1:39 Sun Nov 29
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Want to borrow my wind-up wireless-cum-torch? You'll be in that trench for some time.
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peroni
1:42 Sun Nov 29
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"wireless-cum-torch"
It's a vibrator as well?
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Takashi Miike
1:42 Sun Nov 29
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hahaha
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Hermit Road
1:42 Sun Nov 29
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Infidel, you were banging on about asking people scientific questions in interviews the other day. Then you start a thread like this.
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PMA Hammer
1:49 Sun Nov 29
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You are clueless.
Yes the climate has been changing for billions of years. But There has never been billions of inhabitants pumping out greenhouse gases until recently.
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Infidel
1:55 Sun Nov 29
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PMA
You have unwittingly made my point very concisely.
If the climate has been changing for billions of years before mankind even existed then how do you know the current changes in the climate aren't driven by exactly the same forces?
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Dapablo
1:57 Sun Nov 29
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Human beings are complicite in the average rise in temperature on this planet, this causes major climactic variations affecting millions of people.
People talking against this simple common sense proposition are just extremists, and like all extremists should be ignored.
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fred flinstone
1:58 Sun Nov 29
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* lunatic alert *
* abort mission repeat abort mission*
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Infidel
2:04 Sun Nov 29
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Dapablo
You do know the temperature isn't rising anymore don't you?
It stopped rising in 2000. It's been flat for 15 years.
The IPCC calls it a 'pause', which rather amusingly implies they know what is going to happen next despite having got every other prediction wrong thus far.
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Hammer and Pickle
2:06 Sun Nov 29
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You heard what this years exceptionally intense El Niño has been doing to the Great Barrier Reef? And other vital ecosystems around the globe?
What planet do you live on Infidel?
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html
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Texas Iron
2:07 Sun Nov 29
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Should be a Destroy ISIS Summit...
The Climate can Wait...
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peroni
2:07 Sun Nov 29
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It can't do any harm to be careful about what we're emitting though can it infidel?
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Darby_
2:10 Sun Nov 29
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Never trust a scientist. Deep down they're all evil.
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Infidel
2:15 Sun Nov 29
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Peroni
Actually I think the Climate Change lobby is a disaster for the environment.
By diverting the world's attention to carbon it has drained resources and public focus from very real environmental issues like deforestation, habitat destruction, over fishing of the oceans, marine ecosystem degradation, over use of plastic (a whole topic in itself), extinction of species, water and air pollution, soil erosion and many others.
Now the only thing we are allowed to discuss is carbon, carbon, carbon.
I would like to see much greater emphasis on protecting the planet's fragile ecosystem right across the board and one of the biggest issues I have with climate alarmism is that it has made everyone look in the wrong direction.
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cholo
2:15 Sun Nov 29
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Infidel
Congratulations you're an idiot.
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zebthecat
2:18 Sun Nov 29
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A veritable army of straw men here.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:22 Sun Nov 29
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Who would have thought the site lefties would arrive en masse to post abuse and no facts?
Meanwhile the widely predicted warmest November ever has turned out to be jolly cold.
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Darby_
2:25 Sun Nov 29
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We'd probably do the same thing if you started a thread that 'proved' Creationism.
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PMA Hammer
2:25 Sun Nov 29
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Of the last 14 years, 13 of those have been the warmest on record.
We are not talking about the crappy British summers, we are talking globally. The 2C warming over the next few decades, will prove catastrophic.
The oil 'bunged' governments will cause mass genocide by greasing their palms, as opposed to investing in renewables.
2080, your kids, grandkids, great grandkids will be in trouble.
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zebthecat
2:29 Sun Nov 29
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:22 Sun Nov 29
Climate does not equal weather,
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